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Funny...I thought it was Nixon and Kissinger who broke U.S law and defied the Constitution by authorizing the illegal bombing of Cambodia...killing a few million and destabilizing the country to such an extent that the killing fields were allowed to develop. But I guess I was wrong - apparently it was Jane Fonda's fault. Democracy defeated by Jane Fonda, that's a sad commentary on democracy.
"Archconservative?" Hmmmm, how does Mr. Wells define an "archconservative" vis a vis just a "conservative?" And, if I may add a second "hmmmm," who cares? Mr. Wells, Mr. Bart, Herself BS, and, of course, Himself, BHO, are all of the same senseless, witless, thoughtless riff-raff who allow themselves to be blind-sided by whatever Liberal/Marxist/Socialist tide that ebbs/flows......
And the person of whatever sex who identifies himself/herself as "urban" has forgotten the "t" in front..... Surely, with the twisted history he/she presents, he/she is a turban-wearing Muslim/Islamic fanatic......
"But I guess I was wrong"
Yes, you are wrong as it was North Vietnam who violated international law by using Cambodia as a staging area and hideaway for the troops and the equipment that they used to illegally invade South Vietnam and attempt to overthrow the South's government. It was the North who originally defied the UN and international law by invading South Vietnam, remember? It was the North that refused to abide by the Geneva Conventions and treated their prisoners of war (like John McCain) as criminals, held them in prisons, and continually tortured them in an attempt to get them to denounce the war, remember? And it was the North that violated The Paris Peace Accords and re-invaded South Vietnam in 1975, two years after the Vietnam war ended and our troops came home in victory, remember? It was also the "unified" Communist Vietnam who invaded Cambodia in 1979 and started yet another bloody war (and, thankfully, took out the Khmer Rouge after that genocidal government seized control of Cambodia, renamed it Democratic Kampuchea, forced the entire civilian population out of the cities and into the fields in order to create an agrarian society, and killed a quarter of their own population off in the process), remember?
But don't let reality get you down and feel free to indulge your delusions and blame Nixon and Kissinger for the millions who dies at the hands of the North Vietnamese and Khmer Rouge dictatorships. God knows that we all need our fantasies from time to time.
I'm a little confused by your ramblings gentleman, are you denying that we illegally bombed Cambodia an killed millions (even though our own gov't now admits it?).
And neither of you address why it is the anti-war crowd form the 60's who are responsible for the Communists' actions is Cambodia and Vietnam, as Voight and the author ridiculously assert.
Urban..you were(are) wrong on all counts but to try and argue with fellow travellers never has worked, witness "Bush lied" crowd and their intractable mindset that ignores facts. I'm sure folks like you think that the commies in N. Korea, N. Vietnam, China, and the former USSR had the best interests of all their captive constituencies at heart. Go you Janes.
Finally, the libs are starting to lose their grip on Hollywood. I salute you Mr. Voight.
Yes, Urban, I am denying that we illegally bombed Cambodia and killed millions. That didn't happen, and I'd like to see some proof (a link would suffice) that the U.S. government admitted to killing millions in Cambodia.
If the 60's crowd (including the media chiefs like Cronkite) had any guts whatsoever, would have rooted for the U.S. to win that war. Since they didn't, and outright worked for the U.S. to lose, Congress didn't have enough courage to do the right thing. They withdrew funding and the U.S. lost. Then, the Vietnamese and Cambodian communists killed millions. So, indirectly, I'm placing the blame for the slaughter of millions right on those lefties.
The script is being re-tried today with Iraq, only now we have newspapers and blogs like the Washington Times to help counteract it. I just hope it's enough.
Harry
It takes a real man to admit his mistakes, and speak out against repeating them, at such personal risk/cost. My hat's off to Jon Voight, he ought to get an honorary Swift Boat Assn membership.
Urban clearly feels the sting of the blazing light of history. He/she quickly mouths the half-assed lefty excuses for their mindless assistance in the cold-blooded murder of millions. Leftist ignorance, cowardice, and even indifference caused the most bloodshed, as is usual in history, read a real history book Urban. Fonda, Kerry, Kronkite, and all the unrepentant 60's anti-war scum have their rightful place in history: blood-soaked cowards and opportunists.
And Urban is just as quickly corrected by Cobra below, nice work Cobra. Exactly right.
I saw Voight on a show, Glenn Becks show if I recall correctly. I thought he was well spoken, and made sense. I guess that's as a good reason as any to dislike the man. Me, I like him and I like what he has to say.
Terence Wade
WOW - Thank you Mr. Breitbart for the article today regarding Jon Voight and his sincere effort to bring some sanity to the political situation.
Jon Voight spoke from his heart and his brain with regard to views millions of us share and do not have the worldwide forum he has the opportunity to utilize...the power of his celebrity.
From firsthand experience, Jon tirelessly gives his time to efforts involving our wounded troops and is always willing to help with humanitarian endeavors.
We will all agree there are few celebrities of his caliber that are willing to put themselves on the line and express their views as an American.
Beverly, Westlake Village,CA
I would suggest some of you read "Hollywood Party" or "Red Star Over Hollywood" to see why the blacklist began. But you won't.
I didn't read the editorial, but I'm sure that Voight was a dupe. And, I'm also sure that the Hwd people mentioned in this article are not nice people. The problem is who he's being a dupe for now: Giuliani, Insty, and Powerline. Maybe Hwd will accept him back after he realizes he's just prone to being a dupe.
Nixon's secret war in Cambodia didn't kill millions, or even thousands. It was a response to Cambodia's ignoring the infiltration of NVA into their country. They pretended not to see, so we pretended that we weren't really fighting there.
Lines on a map really don't mean a thing without enforcement, and Cambodia wasn't enforcing it.
Nixon's secret war involved using US advisers and SOC green berets to fight against NVA infiltration, training locals like the Montagnards to do the fighting. We supplied them with weapons and training and air support, they did the fighting and the dying.
What happened because of the US pullout was the dominoes started to fall. Our peace deal allowed us to cut and run, and we left them to be overrun by the Vietnamese and the Khmer Rouge, who butchered them. The result was Vietnam's collapse, Cambodia's genocide, and millions of refugees, i.e. the boat people.
Voight understands now what effects his support for the anti-war cause did to SE asia, and it wasn't a help to the human rights that he believed he was fighting for. He believed that his support for ending US involvement would reduce the violence and give the people an incentive for peace, but what it really did was remove the one government who could shield them from the Tyranny of Communism.
Somehow, I think Mr Urban has been reading too much of John Kerry, and had his history seared (yes, seared) into his memory of "illegal invasions" of Cambodia and massive bombing campaigns that killed millions, and he probably still believes that Peter Arnett told the truth about Operation Tailwind too.
"I'm a little confused by your ramblings gentleman, are you denying that we illegally bombed Cambodia an killed millions (even though our own gov't now admits it?)."
Yes, I am denying it as we didn't kill "millions" during the Vietnam War, thats a lie put out by the anti-war crowd. I grew up during most of the Vietnam War (I was born in 1961) and I can tell you first hand that you don't know what you are talking about.
We may have "illegally" bombed the North Vietnamese troops in Cambodia (and their Cambodian military supporters) and this added up to thousands, but that doesn't mean we killed "millions" of people. You need to realize that all of that bombing occurred along the "Ho Chi Min Trail" and that area was unoccupied by civilians. Why else would the North use it if it wasn't unoccupied and no one could see them massing? You don't' move tens of thousands of troops and their associated equipment through populated areas. Not if you don't want to be discovered anyways. The North wasn't THAT stupid and those troops STAYED AWAY from populated areas. So, how could have bombing of foreign troops in unpopulated areas kill millions and how could any of that destabilize the Cambodian government. It can't and it didn't.
The million and a half Cambodian citizens that died during the 70's were killed by the Khmer Rouge and not by any bombing we had done. You can't blame Nixon for that. And the only reason that bombing even occurred was because the North sent troops in Cambodia in order to infiltrate the South. Once again, you can't blame Nixon for that.
"And neither of you address why it is the anti-war crowd form the 60's who are responsible for the Communists' actions is Cambodia and Vietnam, as Voight and the author ridiculously assert."
You don't think that the anti-war crowd from the 60's did everything they could to end the Vietnam War and that their efforts helped the Communist governments win the propaganda front? Let me tell you, having people like Jane Fonda travel to North Vietnam so they could be photographed making friends with "The People's Army" while sitting on an anti-aircraft artillery gun had a HUGE effect. So do all the accusations of "baby killers" that was falsely made against our troops. All of that lead directly to America's distrust of the war and the Democrats in power at the time used that distrust to do everything in their power to insure that the War would not continue. They even went as far as BANNING the President from sending any military aid to East Asia without their express permission. That's something that had never occurred before in history. You can thank the anti-war crowd for that.
You can also thank the anti-war press for their contributions as well. The moral of the troops fighting that war, and the belief by Americans that we were winning the war, took a HUGE hit when America's biggest news-anchor went on LIVE national news and declared that "The war in Vietnam is now unwindable" after we WON the Tet Offensive, and every other engagement before and after that. Don't know who I'm talking about? I suggest you look it up.
So, yes, the anti-war crowd had a devastating effect on that war. It's good to see Mr, Voight realize and admit that he, as one of them, made a huge mistake.
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