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Tuesday, July 29, 2008

FEIN: Judicial disaster

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gypsy_man

Fein really misses the mark on this one. Trying terrorists in civilian court is fraught with peril. Not WRIGHT for America (www.notwrightforamerica.com) had a great post on this a week or so ago. Will our soldiers be required to Mirandize terrorists, or seek a search warrant before raiding a terrorist safehouse overseas? Trying terrorists in civilian court implies all these rights. The war zone is hard enough without having to worry about Miranda rights, lawyers and preserving evidence.
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stevedeery

Hey Bruce, how do you find time to write such intersting articles and still pray to Mecca?
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brockdp

As soon as I saw the term "concentration camp" associated with America during WWII, I knew where this guy's head is. No thanks.
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palimpsest

As hard as it might be to square something that seems so abstract like civil rights, justice, fairness against what seems so concrete: anger, fear, self-protection, the truth is that those abstractions become very real when Big Brother comes calling. In fact, the WOT has been used to make you so frightened that you don't even think about our basic rights and protections. Remember when the line from Washington was that we were in a dirty war that demanded we go over to the dark side, that treating Al Qaeda like the group of thugs that it is (rather than some global enemy) and use police techniques in destroying it got laughed at by the right? Check on the latest Rand (hardly a hotbed of liberalism) study, paid for by our government, of terrorism and note that the folks at Rand state that the WOT model has made heroes out of Al Qaeda. They suggest using those derided police methods to destroy that gang. As for Fein's opinion and the macho response I've seen so far: you supported the fiasco in the desert at the expense of getting Bin Laden in Afghanistan. Now you just want to keep on digging deeper here at home. Remember those wonderful color coded fear campaigns we kept on getting before the 2004 election? You were played by people who made you think that paranoia is patriotic. Give justice a chance. It got America where it is today. Why should it fail us now?
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realitybytes

(.....as soon as you saw the term "concentration camp"?) ....you must be one of those "sceptics" that still believe that "them indians" got the better end of the deal......google japanese "internment" camps if you want to further your 6th grade "history speak" education.........peace
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Advocate4Liberty

brockdp and stevedeery, comments not worth wasting bytes on. No intelligent life at those terminals. GypsyMan, do you have ANY clue regarding the purpose of the Constitution and the relationship to the state? "Trying terrorists in civilian court is fraught with peril." The entire point of the Constitutional protections is to guard against arbitrary actions by the most dangerous people in any society: politicians and government goons. Let's reiterate the point: just because some criminal, like Bush, claims someone is a terrorist, don't make it so, Joe. That is why due process is vital to any free society. What you implicitly advocate is fascism; unchecked state power. "The war zone is hard enough without having to worry about Miranda rights, lawyers and preserving evidence." Yes, who want's to worry about pesky little things like evidence. Duh!
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