Delegates get split decision

Hillary is destructive and the DNC has failed to bring this farce to a halt when they could weeks ago. Harold Ickles should be ashamed of himself for making such comment when he was one of those that drafted the agreement to disfranchise MI and FL in the first place. What a hypocrite!

Hillary has effectively moved the goal posts. They had agreed at the beginning that Mich and FL would not count. Obama was 40 - now its 120 - away from victory. She cannot win, she can only push the game into overtime - or perhaps "sudden death" - considering her RFK comments. Her supporters are obviously as crazed as she is - shouting they will vote for McCain in the fall. They are thus putting in jeopardy their signature issue of Roe v. Wade. If they take their fight to the convention, there will be a donnybrooke and the Dems will lose the GE. If Reid and Pelosi don't shut them down - although I don't see how they can except plead with the super delegates to shut them down. Hillary cannot win. She cannot overcome the popular vote, the number of contests won, the number of states, the pledged delegates, or the super delegates. So what is exactly her exit strategy - to destroy the Dems chances in November?

I simply cannot comprehend the audacity. Rules were proposed, agreed to by ALL parties involved and voted upon. The states were warned, transgressed (hoping, I assume, for leniency?) and were punished. Now leniency is decided upon. And yet... I keep reading to find a Clinton supporter who will address these facts straight on.

I think Florida & Michigan will give McCain there full vote. If the democratic rules committee think taking votes from any person will unite the party is wrong. not only will those states vote McCain we will. In mississippi 4 years not to long to wait for clinton to run and win with hands down.

I woke up this Sunday feeling refreshed, renewed and confident. The republicans in historically huge percentages are disillusioned and disappointed in the republican nominee.They are READY for CHANGE. I am excited about this remarkable opportunity for REAL change. Now ....... IS the TIME emergence of a ... NEW ... PARTY! With the democratic party haveing shot its self in the HEAD rather than in the the foot at their suicide meeting 31 May 2008. There was many calls for unity as the DNC chose to create more disillusioned and disappointed voters in the democratic party than the republicans UNITY ... YES! Let us unify the millions (as of yesterday) of FORMER democrats to join the millions of disappointed independents and republicans in order to form a more perfect party. Let us invite ALL the small independent parties to unite under one banner to DEFEAT the republicans and democrats plus the old tired two party system that has brought this country to the edge of economic disaster. Before this day is done ... we WILL have a common venue.

As an independant voter with a little tilt to the right, I have been totally disenfranchised with the GOP as of the last several years. I've been waiting for a candidate from the Democrats with some new ideas and the ability to help bring together both parties to solve this country's problems. Hillary is not that person. There is no more divisive person in politics today, including Bush. Don't let her hijack the process any longer, Dems! It's time to put her in her place and get on with the job of truly changing the direction this nation is heading in. No more political tantrums from Clinton and crew, please! You have an election to win.

OK, let me re-phrase. I keep reading to find a LITERATE Clinton supporter who will address these facts straight on.

The DNC has ignored the will of the people ... voters across this country will not forget. And while, the DNC likes to tout that they will come together in the Fall, the voters that I have come in contact with are saying that they will not vote for a candidate that has been forced on them. I have always voted for the Democratic candidate because I believed that it was in the best interest of this country, but not this time. The DNC has proven that "democracy" is not important in the election process and that the parties of this country can do as they please regardless of what the "people" are saying. Well ... let's just hope that the "people" will speak across this nation when they go to the polls in November and any presently seated "delegate" who can be replaced ... will be replaced. As far as the presidential election goes ... those of us who will not vote for McCain or Obama can always vote for the third option, Barr.

So, concerned08, what about the rules? How do you justify simply setting them aside? Let's say that we did that, and Clinton won, can you imagine the howls of "Stolen Election"?

the dnc has just destroyed the party. by passing this ruling they in effect said we don't care what the people want we want obama. if they'd cared about us and our concerns they'd have given full count's to all delegates and let them decide who the wanted to support. not tell them that we'll give ya'll token votes but we'll give obama some as well so ya'll still ain't acheiving anything. me and mine are voting republican this election and i urge all clinton supporters to do the same. let's show the obama camp that we too can play dirty.

concerned08 and voodoo: if Hillary had not won the "primaries" (remember: she had agreed to the ban!!!), would you also have wanted for the DNC to overturn the decision? Hillary's blatant and naked ambition is quite distasteful to watch. I was a supporter, at the start, but seeing her reveal a personality worse than Bush's is painful: she has convinced herself of the truth of everything she spews!

I can't believe that this has gone on this long. Hillary wants this so bad for her own personal reasons that she is jepordizing the election and the millions of people in the US (and perhaps billions worldwide) that would be able to recover from a Bush administration. I've never been one to say that Hillary should drop out of the race, but they should absolutely not attempt to change the rules. Now, not only are they attempt to change the rules, but they are going to attempt to appeal the compromise decision that the rules committee. Now, I think that the only way to unify the party is for one of the candidates to drop out. All of this political posturing to attempt to find a virtual "hanging chad" could cost us the election in November. Think of the real issue - we can't take 4 years of a McBush administration. I'd call for all of the superdelgates, with the power to call the election now, commit to one candidate or the other so that we can get on with the real issue - taking back the white house. One thing more - some Clinton supporters are pouting and claiming that if they don't get their way, then they aren't going to vote for Obama (or Obama supports won't vote for Clinton). Stupid, Stupid, Stupid. Remember that both Clinton and Obama stand on the same Democratic party platform of priciples. From there, the differences are minimal. If for some reason race is a factor in the decision as to why you would or would not vote for either candiate, then you need to have your voting rights taken away.

i agree with mr. ickes (regretably sarcastic) opinion that to unilaterally divvy up the uncommitted delegates is undemocratic. mr. obama's name wasn't on the ballot, so for the committee to guess/estimate how many of the uncommitted votes WOULD have gone to him (and also to mrs. clinton) seems ill-conceived. i think another primary, in both states, was warranted, even though it would have cost more. the situation has changed since it was decided to "punish" the renegade states months ago -- it wasn't so clear then that every vote would count. to give half votes, and to allocate uncommitted votes unilaterally are not wise things to do, in my opinion. also, the virulence of the hillary hating is reaching a new pitch, here and elsewhere. "put her in her place"?

re dutchie you are obviously an obama supporter. who else would use the rules of the dnc to silence the american voters. i think they should allow the people to decide who the nominee is going to be instead of letting their co-workers decide who they want to run. why don't ya'll pay attention to obamas lies as you would any other pollitican. all obama has done so far is tell lie after lie and the media just brushes it under the rug and the obama camp just explains it away

In a way I understand the people who say they will vote for McCain if they can't vote for Clinton. There isn't that much difference between the two.