God in middle of security debate

Kathy Stein, and all Democrats need to go back to our foundations. This country was founded on reliance on God. Slavery was ended because man was created in the image of God. How can you deny "In God We Trust". Why is that statement of faith inscribed on our money? Those who deny the omniscience and omnipotence of God are only fooling themselves.

We're only safe in this country because of God's Will for it to be so. However, requiring someone to credit God (who doesn't want to) is just as ridiculous as banning someone from crediting God. You should be free to credit or not credit God. He gives you free will, so I think the State of Kentucky can do the same thing. We're a blessed nation, and we owe our rights to God. That's something our founders realized, and they were careful to ensure that the Constitution didn't grant us right, rather, it prohibited the government from taking away our God-given rights. For your relative peace and security thank: God George Bush and the US Military Hooah! www.offeringcommonsense.blogspot.com

It is commendable that the Kentucky Legislature acknowledges God above government. And it is sad that state Senator Kathy Klein feels that doing so hurts the credibility of the Homeland Security office. However, I agree with baldeagle79 that for such acknowledgement of God to be genuine, it cannot be forced. Let's pray that all our elected and appointed officials will acknowledge God with humility and faith. But let us neither condemn them if they do not do so, nor chastise them if they do so in ways different than our own. We are constantly challenged to live up to the high ideals upon which our nation was founded. It has taken 232 years to reach our present level of practicing the self-evident truth that all men are created equal. Our courts are currently disunited about how to accommodate and harmonize the Constitutional principles of religious freedom and prohibition of state religion. Let's pray that they can do so in all good conscience, recognizing our inalienable Rights endowed by our Creator, as did our forefathers in the Declaration of Independence.

jgarner: Have you actually read any biographies of the founders? I would suggest that you read a bio of Jefferson, Washington, Mason, etc before you make such statements. The country was founded as a secular democracy. This was done for the protection of the religious. Quick bit of evidence: the Treaty of Tripoli article 11. Keep in mind that this was written by George Washington, read before the Senate, and passed with unanimous vote. Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; ... As for slavery, the bible doesn't condemn it. In fact there are many passages that talk about how one must treat slaves. see Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT and others.

. brian_d_w, is this one good enough for you? It was written by Thomas Jefferson himself in his Notes on the State of Virginia, Query 18, in 1781. "Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just: that his justice cannot sleep for ever." If is isn't enough for you, I have a few more. Our founders did not intend a secular state sterilized of Almighty God. They intended a state which allowed religious freedoms and liberties subject to the recognition of God's proper place in individual and social life.

. Also, brian_d_w, the elipsis you entered indicate that you have excised only a portion of the statement in an effort to manipulate it to support your biased position.

Seeing that CMPark is too lazy to use google, here is the complete article 11. Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries. Honestly the majority of treaty is not revelent either way, not including the the entire source of a document isn't intellectual dishonesty.

CMPark, As for Jefferson, he mentions god sure. Like you said is one thing good enough for you? Jefferson was about as anti-christian as was possible at the time. He talks about god in the sense that many writers of the enlightenment did, in the deist sense not the theist sense. Are you familiar with Jefferson's bible (He cut out all the parts he didn't like, there wasn't a lot left)?

this is why we get into trouble, mixing religion and politics. It don't care if the liberal illuminati candidate is religious or not and i don't care if you think God is going to do the protecting or not... just do your business and if you have faith in God let him do his thing but do everything you can cause he has given you a brain. We take the Lords name in vain every time we claim something is because of God and it's really just another agenda.

. brian_d_w is obvious a cynical atheist desperately searching for some historical support for his vitriolic venom against theism, especially theism under the "Christian" label. The Treaty of Tripoli was authored by American diplomat Joel Barlow in 1796 (not George Washington). It was sent to the floor of the Senate, June 7, 1797, which approved it. James Adams, President at the time, signed it. This was a treaty with the Muslims of the Barbary coast after the United States has whipped their butts. The wording is an appeasement for the Islamists in order to establish peace and friendly relations. The Treaty of Tripoli can hardly be considered a founding document of these United States of America. Only a sophmoric intellect could think to foist that idea off on thinking persons.

This excerpt from one of Jefferson's letters is particularly revelent: Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man & his god, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, <em> I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state.</em> [Congress thus inhibited from acts respecting religion, and the Executive authorised only to execute their acts, I have refrained from presenting even occasional performances of devotion presented indeed legally where an Executive is the legal head of a national church, but subject here, as religious exercises only to the voluntary regulations and discipline of each respective sect.] Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

If God is going to share responsiblity for homeland security, it is likely that he will suggest we secure our borders for openers. Illegal alien are pouring across the border in big numbers every day. Terrorists such as those in India could be marching across right now. Once in the country, driving to any large east coast city is easy. NOBODY knows who is walking across our southern border. www.borderinvasionpics.com See the videos from hidden cameras.

CMPark, How about the small issue that the constitution doesn't mention god at all? But it does restrict the government from establishing a religion. The 1st amendment explicitly prohibits the nonsense that this article. The 1st amendment protect the religious more than anyone. If you want an established church for the USA then it going to be Catholic, not whatever brand of evangelical you are Mr. Park. Just look at the current demographics, the Catholics win. I sure hope you enjoy being forced to take communion going to confession and seeing Mary on the money. It's going to bug you much more than me. Theocracy is a very bad thing. But if you really want to live in a theocracy try Saudi Arabia. Best Brian

Mr brian_d_w certainly jumps to conclusions based upon his hatred of certain religious groups. Why do you think I am any "brand of evangelical", Mr. Brian_d_w? All I have revealed to you is that I am a theist. I beleive in an eternal self-sustaining Being superior to humankind. Most of the world believes such. It is either that, or to beleive the most absurd proposition that all life began by pure chance, against all possible odds, billions of years ago in some primordial slime puddle. Really, Mr Brian_d_w, have you evolved out of your slime puddle to such a degree that you hate so much? Besides, the 1st ammendment prohibition is intended to prevent civilian government from interferring in any way with religion. That means it is to remain neutral. Secular atheism is NOT neutral. It promotes a religious belief, i. e. the religious belief that there is no God. You need not fear that Catholicism will become the State Religion, Mr. Brian_d_w.