- Associated Press - Monday, September 24, 2012

TORONTO (AP) — A face-to-face meeting between top officials from the NHL and NHL Players’ Association wasn’t enough to break their labor stalemate.

The sides spent almost five hours together Monday going over accounting for last season but didn’t emerge with a plan to resume negotiations on a new collective bargaining agreement to end the lockout.

The topic wasn’t even raised, according to representatives from each group.

Nine days into the lockout, negotiations remain on hold with owners and players entrenched in their positions.

“Obviously, we’ve got to talk before you can get a deal, so I think it’s important to get the talks going again,” NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly said. “But you also have to have something to say. I think it’s fair to say we feel like we need to hear from the players’ association in a meaningful way because I don’t think that they’ve really moved off their initial proposal, which was made more than a month ago.”

Steve Fehr, the NHLPA’s special counsel, declined comment following the meeting.

NHLPA head Donald Fehr and commissioner Gary Bettman didn’t attend the meeting, but they were expected to see each other at an NHL alumni dinner Monday night. Daly suggested they might discuss a timeline then for resuming talks.

The sides last sat down together Sept. 12, when the union presented a proposal that quickly was countered by the league. Neither offer moved talks closer to an agreement, and the NHL locked out the players three days later.

Not only are the sides far apart on financial issues — they are roughly $1 billion apart based on the latest proposals — but they also have failed to find agreement on the process.

While the league has remained adamant about the need for the sides to discuss only the economic system that governs the sport, the union has said it would be willing to continue negotiations on the other aspects of the agreement that need to be worked out.

In the meantime, players have started predicting it will be another prolonged lockout. New York Rangers forward Rick Nash told a Swiss reporter last week that the work stoppage could last an entire year, and Detroit Red Wings forward Danny Cleary repeated that sentiment after an informal skate Monday.

“Just trying to be realistic,” Cleary told the Detroit Free Press. “I think the league is waiting for us to make the move, and we’re waiting for them to move. So someone has to move. And I don’t see it coming from our end.

“We’ve given them a couple of good options that they can work with, and they, obviously, feel it’s not good enough.”

Daly isn’t willing to entertain the notion that another season could be lost as was the case when a lockout caused the cancellation of the entire 2004-05 campaign.

The NHL has already called off all preseason games in September, but Daly said he is hopeful an agreement can be reached in time to start the regular season as scheduled on Oct. 11.

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