"We need golf courses that average golfers can get around in four hours or less. When I was a kid that was the standard," Hardy said. "I don't know why it's lost. Hell, we've got carts today. We didn't have carts when I was growing up. We might have played in two hours."
"One of the reasons we've lost golfers is because we've lost recreational golfers. We haven't lost the golfer who wants to be highly challenged. He's still playing golf. But all we've done is built golf courses for him," said designer Jim Hardy, who along with Peter Jacobsen constructed Rope Rider in Roslyn, Wash., which is receiving raves for its friendly design. "And all the recreational golfers are saying it costs too much to do this anymore and it takes too much time, I'm going to find another outlet for my recreation, for my recreational dollars for my recreational time, I'm going to find another outlet. If golf continues going the way it is, we're going to continue to lose more and more and more of those part-time recreational golfers and we're going to lose golf courses and the game is in trouble."