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And now the Presbyterians

By Julia Duin on July 1, 2008 into Belief Blog

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Your humble religion blogger has been very busy with front-page stories recently so has missed a few other items.

Members of the Presbyterian Church USA number 2.3 million, just a shade over the 2.2-million-member Episcopal Church, but they get one-tenth of the ink. That may be changing now that the Presbyterians have passed some interesting resolutions lately at their yearly General Assemblies.

Their most recent meeting in San Jose, Calif., last week made the biggest news by opening the door to gay clergy in the denomination. You can read the denomination's side of the story here.  And read Religion News Service's version of the event here.  And look at the Institute on Religion and Democracy's read here. 

My question: Does the PCUSA wish to go the road of the Episcopal Church, which is involved in a zillion lawsuits these days involving churches that are fleeing the denomination because of their opposition to gay clergy? 

— Julia Duin, assistant national editor/religion, The Washington Times

 

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walter_from_puget_sound

The whole issue seems contradictory (unless it is agenda based). If the church is supposed to be guided by scripture, the congregations and the leaders should follow them. The scriptures are very clear that sexual impropriety is the basis of the Original Sin when Adam and Eve “fell” from the grace of God. That aspect is passed on to each generation, and as individuals we need to practice self-discipline regarding sexual desire and indulgence. Sex outside of marriage is a sin, and a practicing homosexual is guilty of such a grievous sin. If we are discussing a celibate homosexual, then it is not an issue because that person is celibate – as such he or she is neither heterosexual nor homosexual. He or she is merely celibate without any further “label.” How does the church stand on promiscuity? If that is condoned, then it needs to be reined in as well. Of course, this can be a backdoor route to legitimize homosexual marriage. The argument will be that since the church recognizes this as an acceptable lifestyle, why should the politicians object? We could read what the people had to say back in Noah’s time or at Sodom and Gomorrah, since they were in the majority, but anything they might have contributed has been washed away or burned up! The attempts to legislate immorality may make people feel better, but it doesn’t make it “right”! We should base our human views on God's perspective, not ask God to conform to humanistic desires. The whole issue of ordaining homosexuals should be taken in the same spirit as Jonathan Swift’s 1729 “Modest Proposal” to cure the social ills of Dublin society. It’s time stand fast to moral standards regardless of whatever political correctness fad is in vogue.
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child_of_the_resurrection

As we see more and more of the phenomena of the "gay marriages" all over America we must ask ourselves: how did Satan invade our churches and then our states as well; with this flood of immorality? Going back to when the "sun and moon" were darkened at the words of Sun Myung Moon that the words of the Gospel had "lost their light" we must understand that Mr. Sun and Mrs. Moon were to restore two heavenly bodies with their own: namely the sun and the moon; which represent the son and the daughter; in the position of the True Parents who are Jesus of Nazareth and Mary of Bethany. Unfortunately Rev. Moon also decided to "marry" the Son and the Holy Spirit by claiming that the Holy Spirit is "female". The unfortunate fact however is that the Holy Spirit is male; as can be seen at the Gospel of John at 14:26, to wit; "But the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name; He will teach you all things...." In rejecting the Gospel of John Rev. Moon decided that a "female" Holy Spirit would be just the thing to "marry" to the Son: thus as the "priest" of this "marriage" of two "males" Rev. Moon allowed Satan to invade him and the church; the unfortunate truth being that the "unholy spirit" is the "female spirit" who is the "counterfeit" known as Isis; queen of Egypt: Mystery herself it is who caused Rev. Moon to stumble in his interpretation of the Doctrine in his book "Divine Principle". This is why we have the current problem.
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dick_dole

The PCUSA has already split. It has half the members it had a few decades ago. The other half have moved their membership and moneys to denominations and local churches that take the Bible seriously as God's Word and remain truly "Presbyterian."
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phylfinst

I look forward to each blog Julia. You make my day. Bless you.!~
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jsides18

I was once a Presbyterian, then an Episcopalian. Now I am a member of a start up Anglican parish under the Archbishop of Uganda. It really feels good to be in a church that is not trying to re-invent holy scripture.
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