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Why there won't be a solar powered car

By LES JACKSON on July 26, 2008 into Spinning Wheels: A Community for Car Lovers

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Why don't we have solar cars?

 

Wherever I give a speech about the automotive industry someone always asks about why we don't have any solar powered cars other than those fragile things we see competing for scientific prizes each year. I enjoy this question because it allows me to utilize the knowledge I gained during 25 years working in the laser applications field. The physics of lasers is the physics of light, so we laser-jocks got to know a lot about the subject.

While solar power is a very real thing and useful in certain applications, don't confuse the physics with the hype. Allow Albert Einstein, if you will, to go over the basic physics of the sun's energy as it hits the earth. He received the 1921 Nobel Prize for physics not, ironically, for the Theory of Relativity (arguably the most important scientific breakthrough of all time - no pun intended with the "time" thing...) but for his discovery and explanation of the photoelectric effect.

Einstein explained that the sun delivers approximately 1,000 watts of total energy per square meter (roughly 100 watts per square foot) on the earth, and that's really only when there's direct light, at noon, on a clear day. He demonstrated that photons (the sun's energy output consists of photons of all wavelengths, from X-rays to radio waves) hitting the earth can be converted to electrons if they hit the right kind of atomic surface, such as today's photovoltaic cells. Einstein, as you know, was a very smart guy.

Anyway, if you could convert all that solar energy to electric power you'd need 7.43 square feet for each horsepower (there are 743 watts in a horsepower) in your motor. You need at least 50 horsepower (37,000 watts) to safely move a car in real-world traffic, so you'd need at least 371 square feet of surface area to generate the electricity. That's a square about 19 feet on a side, so your car would have to be very large or have a huge solar sail on it to capture the light.

It gets worse, because solar photovoltaic panels waste most of the sun's energy. The best solar panels on the market today are less than 20% efficient at conversion of energy, so you really need panels 5 times larger than the one in the example above to create enough electricity to run the car. Remember also that we're talking about "perfect" conversion of energy at midday when it's clear outside. As the daylight goes down so does the amount of electricity. If this isn't difficult enough, how do you compensate for those periods when the car is driving in the rain, cloudy weather, through tunnels and at night? What we've got here is a fundamental problem of capacity: There's simply not enough surface area on a car to generate sufficient power from photovoltaic cells.

Add to these pressures the fact that photovoltaic cells cost at least $6 per watt of output, making these things prohibitive for most people even if size weren't a consideration. As you can see, solar electric vehicles are a complex problem of physics, engineering and economics that have no foreseeable solution.

Are there any ways around these limitations? Well, solar panels on cars might be utilized to help power accessories, thus relieving the alternator from consuming engine power. This would result in slightly higher fuel mileage. Hood, roof and trunk panels could have their output directed to the battery  - or battery pack, in the case of electric cars - and could help partially charge the system. A typical car's surface area is around 60 square feet, so at 20 watts per square foot it's possible to generate 1,200 watts (a little less than 2 horsepower). That's not much, but it's enough to consider if the devices become more cost-effective.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't work on any - and every - potential alternative fuel or drivetrain we can envision. Cars of the future will certainly be electrically powered, be it from fuel cells or other energy storage devices, because dwindling fuel supplies and escalating pollution concerns will kill the gasoline engine. I'm betting that by 2050 the only large-scale use of internal combustion engines will be in heavy trucks, and even those will be diesel-electric.

Albert would be very happy about that.

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Old Aeronaut

Seems very well-reasoned and great explanation of some basic physics. The laws of physics are usually ignored by those wanting to save the world from the current crisis-de-jour. One question -- what are the scientific qualifications of Les Jackson -- physicist or intelligent layman?
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SolarPower

Solar powered cars are like several other objects which use sun energy and can also utilize a number of solar cell technologies that frequently involve using gallium arsenide, poly-crystalline silicon and mono-crystalline silicon. These solar powered cars only perform or run for a limited distance without the electric energy and for this reason these cars are not being referred to as a resourceful form of transport for daily travelers. http://solar-powered-cars.info/
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LMagic007

Technically speaking yes the article makes some sense, however it's not entirely correct. If you only drive that Solar Car 60 - 90 minutes per week for shopping most of the time etc, and use public transport for work commutes it might be possible. i.e. if also you have backup systems in the Solar Car, like petrol generator and option plug in power recharge options. The bottom line is that conventional cars are under utilized in terms of hours used and over powered in terms of power required to do the job. I'm working on a more detailed spec to help clarify this.
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LMagic007

Solar Car - YES CAN DO - PART 1 Technically speaking on the raw numbers presented, yes the article makes some sense, however it's not entirely correct. The raw numbers have to be seen in context of broader parameters. To cut a long story short, simply consider this; How many people use public transport to travel to and from work in large cities ? What percentage of the population ? 50% ? Of course this can vary city upon city, depending on the quality and cost of the public transport network. Essentially though, those that use public transport for their daily work commute, might not drive their cars on average for not more than 60 minutes per week. i.e. mostly on weekends, sometimes weeknights. i.e. to do shopping, local social gatherings etc... Thus for most times, all a Solar Car has to do is gather enough energy during the week, to provide power for the 60 minutes of travel. For longer range requirements, the Solar Car can have backup of either petrol generator, plug in power recharge options or both. Part 2 to follow next post cheers.
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Solar Car - YES CAN DO - PART 2 Now on the numbers, it seems unlikely you can get 1200 watts solar coverage on a car at reasonable cost. Let's be more pessimistic and and say 600 watts at best, for a custom designed best of breed car body shape, that optimises solar panel coverage. Forget about cost for a moment. All we want is proof of concept. Now say you get an average of 5 hours per day of full sunlight. i.e. you actually get more hours of light in a typical day, but when you add all that together and factor in cloud cover, diffracted and reflected light etc... say you only average 5 hours of full sun. OK 5 hours at 600 watts = 3000 watt hours ( 3 kWh ) of electrical energy to recharge batteries on the Solar car each day. OK so over 7 days that's 7 x 3 = 21 kWh of electrical energy stored in your Solar Car's batteries. So now say that this car is a light weight low powered car designed for low speed travel using the best high strength, light weight materials of today in its construction. Lets say it has a top speed of about 120 kmh. Lets say it has a 30 kW electric motor with 90% efficiency thus providing 27 kW to the wheels. Now 21 kWh / 30 kW = 0.7 hours of drive time at full power. That's 42 minutes of drive time at full power with 27 kW at the rear wheels. Obviously the weight of the vehicle comes into play and is a separate calculation, however consider the following. A conventional internal combustion engine looses up to around 65% of its energy in waste heat and perhaps a further 10% through transmission to the wheels. Thus 27 kW at the wheels is equivalent to 27 / 0.9 / 0.35 = 85.71 kW conventional simple internal combustion engine rating, to get the same 27 kW delivered to the wheels, similar to the 30 kW electric motor. Now 85 kW is about 85.71 / .745 = 115 Horse Power being about 115 x 16 = 1840 cc or 1.8 litre equivalent engine. Now if 42 minutes drive time is not enough, you don't have to drive at full power. Thus by driving more slowly most of the time you can get better range at the cost of slower speed and thus drive time. For example if the top speed was 120 kmh at full power, then one could mostly drive at 60 kmh to use less energy per unit time and thus effectively double the drive time. For local commuting, much of your speed wont exceed 60 - 80 kmh anyway. Thus for the electric car, if you only drove at half power instead of drawing an average of 30 kW of electrical energy ( full power ), you are drawing an average of 15 kW ( half power ) The variation in efficiency and performance is less for electrical cars compared to conventional internal combustion engine cars. Thus in this example you might be able to double the 42 minutes drive time to 84 minutes, if you drive at an average speed of 60 kmh. Part 3 next post cheers
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LMagic007

Solar Car - YES CAN DO - PART 3 Now many people would not drive more than 84 minutes a week. For those that do on the odd occasions, add options 1. Smart small fuel engine generator on board for battery charging. For example it could kick in when the battery charge falls to a certain level. Add $$$ 2. Plug in charge options for home charging over night. Add $$$ 3. Plug in option for faster charging ( an hour or two ) from charge stations. Add $$$ For the rest of the population, probably not enough use public transport, so better affordable public transport would be one way of helping make a Solar Car more realistic option for the rest of the population. That's the general gist of it and these are only general approximations and obviously many other factors influence actual results. It's not really my area, so I expect some more qualified experts might have a comment or two to make. To get the most out of this concept, a complete ground up Solar Car design would be required. To have a broader impact on mass populations, a very good best of breed, world class public transportation system is also a requirement. that however might still be cheaper than continuing to pollute the atmosphere with greenhouse gasses and smog that makes city life unpleasant, not to mention the health costs from pollution. Wish I had posted this in reverse order :) cheers
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LMagic007

Solar Car - YES CAN DO Best read from part 1 further below then part 2 and 3 etc... in that order.
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